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What Constitutes "Ugly"

News Type: Event — Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:08 AM EST
beauty, self-esteem, ugliness, misperceptions-of-self
By callie-girl
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There is a woman who works where I purchase food for my fur-people. She is blessed with dwarfism. Her head is massively outsized for her small body; her spine is cruely crooked; her legs are bowed.

She is one of the most beautiful women I have ever met. Despite being confined to a wheelchair, she has a glorious, always-present smile. She greets customers with sincere delight, is thrilled and eager to assist them. She radiates joy. And that joy lifts the spirits of everyone who has the privilege of coming into contact with her.

Recently, I have been thinking about how so many of us fail to recognize that beauty has nothing to do with physical appearance. It has nothing to do with genetic happenstance, weight, height., or body structure,...whether we conform to the standards of beauty dictated by the fashion and movie industry. By the way, I've always found it odd that standards of female beauty, specifically in modern society, are dictated by a fashion industry dominated by men who, to put it politely, are not attracted to women.

I have realized, and personally struggled all of my life with, perceptions imprinted on us by parents....flawed human beings venting their own lack of self-esteem onto their children in many cases. I think this is a multi-generational phenomenon - our parents were victims of victims, who were victims of victims, ad nauseum.

I have encountered, quite recently in one case, women who perceive themselves as ugly because they were told that one body part, or their femaleness, or their overall appearance, was ugly. I look at them, either in person or their picture, and am astonished by their beauty. But they fail to see it. I've known men who don't meet contemporary standards of male perfection, and carry the emotional scars inflicted upon them by abusive parents....and they see themselves as unworthy of love, defective, ugly. Yet, as they share who they are, their fears, their struggles, I am astonished at how beautiful, loveable and courageous they are. Male or female, we see ourselves through the eyes of those who didn't perceive our own unique form of beauty and, in my experience, we view ourselves through that distorted lens.

Here on the vine, I have been humbled by the revelations, often offered in this public venue with great trepidation and enormous courage, by members who are battling their way through pain and warped self-images and getting a glimmer of how truly beautiful they are (okay, for those gentlemen who feel "beautiful" is a female designation....how handsome they are). They are gleaning that beauty, while in some cases a result of genetics, ultimately radiates from who we are within. Some have been uniquely blessed to be partnered with a mate who supports them in their journey toward an awareness of how beautiful they truly are. Many, if not most, of us, struggle alone.

To me, and I certainly do not speak for everyone, "ugly" is demeaning others; it's building oneself up by tearing others down; it's gender, racial, religious pejoratives; it's contempt for anyone who isn't just like us. It's cruelty. It's not recognizing and celebrating the glorious uniqueness of each of us. It's intolerance. It's denigration of others for not having specific genetic gifts (as though that was some sort of personal accomplishment on any individual's part). It's attacking blindly based on the unmitigated gall of someone expressing that a personal, hard-won boundary has been crossed, regardless of how gently that expression is tendered. It's being hurtful and somehow feeling justified in being hurtful. It's inflicting a warped self-image on children. It's demeaning ourselves rather than gently demanding the courtesy we deserve. It's a man or woman who conforms to standards of physical beauty and thinks that gives them some sort of right to be rude and vulgar - now that's ugly!

It's failure to recognize that God does not make mistakes and He does not make junk.

I loathed my physical appearance for most of my life - my mother was regarded as physically beautiful, but she was very, very ugly in her treatment of others. People told me "you look just like your mother!" To me, her cruelty made her ugly; therefore, I was ugly. She regularly told me I was ugly. To this day, the full-length mirror in my bedroom is positioned on the wall so my face cannot be seen in it and I apply cosmetics looking only at the specific part of my face to which I'm applying them.

The upside of this is, I decided long, long ago to focus on my insides. I do get angry - ignore my feelings and right to respect often enough and I will ultimately blow.

But then I think of that indescribably beautiful lady at the pet food store and her consistent demonstration of true beauty. And I feel ashamed that I have so far to grow.

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{"commentId":10813565,"authorDomain":"supercallie"}
callie-girl

Please share your definition of "ugly" and what you have learned about your own unique personal beauty.

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  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:09 AM EST
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Adrian Thorn

Ugly

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  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:14 AM EST
{"commentId":10833566,"authorDomain":"politicc"}
Truth be told-1349420

In general, "Ugly" defines something (concrete or abstract) that makes the brain constrict in dislike and fear when perceived by the senses. Thus, it can be a facial look, a creepy sound, an indecent gesture, a curse word, a horrible act, a nasty sight, a violent combination of colors or musical notes, a rough surface, a hostile smell, a malignant disease, a stormy sky, a peach-black night, a black flower, a 1950's Hub Cap Volkswagen, a weak lie, a broken vow, a toothless mouth, a mouthful of black/yellow teeth, a word that can make you bite your tongue when trying to pronounce it etc, etc, etc....

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  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:30 PM EST
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callie-girl

Adrian,

Dear God, man! Could you not have provided a warning lable with that link?! LOL. I clicked it and I do believe I shall have to scrub my brain to get rid of that image. Excellent example of "ugly" though ;-D

And to Truth be Told....wonderful list of "ugly" stuff.

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  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:04 PM EST
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sweetness34

Damn it calli I was able to ignore the link until you said that! Damn twice today I've now had to pour bleach in my eyes. =D

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  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:47 PM EST
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Hekofawoman

I swear I'm not looking....and as for "ugly", it's not at all about the physical appearance, but everything to do with what come out from within. Ugly is what ugle does. I wish however, that while I kbnow this intellectually, I would not be so judgemental of myself. I still, every day try to conquer what is ugly about me. Society does that in part, and one feels less then in some way. I certainly don't worry about it so much as I use to, but as I get older I don't worry about certain things near as much. Great topic callie-girl - and I'm not looking at that link (not tonight anyway)lol

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  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:07 PM EST
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PenniD

I have never seriously considered ugly before, so this article is something to really think about. I have never encountered a person who I consider physically ugly, there is always something attractive about everyone. Thanks for giving me something to think on, it will take some rumination to give a good answer.

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  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:12 PM EST
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AnnForTruth01

I love the old-time song and now saying, "Beauty's only skin deep", and another adage, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Both are so true. Most people equate physical appearance and additional things with beauty. But it doesn't matter how well-defined/shaped an individual's body parts are, how well they dress, their long silky hair or beautiful skin tone..., because if their heart is ugly it overshadows these things thus making them "UGLY." Beauty grows from the inside out as does ugly.

I remember someone once asked to me some years ago, "Why are you settling for glass when you deserve diamonds?" He was referring to my significant other for 20 years now and to be quite frank he had a lot of nerves/balls asking this question. He was looking at his physical appearance and knew nothing about his heart, obviously. It's unfortunate, but there are many people who think like this individual does. Perhaps this explains why he's, the individual who asked the question, still alone many years later.

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  • 9 votes
#3.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:50 AM EST
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HCG76

so take it he was no diamond. great story Ann!

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  • 6 votes
#3.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:09 AM EST
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AnnForTruth01

so take it he was no diamond. great story Ann!

Obviously his thinking remains the same as does his loneliness or maybe that's the way he prefers to live out his life. I can't say whether or not this individual was trying to impress me back then because of his wishful thoughts about us, meaning me and him. But little did he know it was turn off. Thanks HCG76

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  • 5 votes
#3.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:20 AM EST
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HCG76

That is great! he just thought he knew how to impress you, but miss the mark completely.

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  • 6 votes
#3.4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:41 AM EST
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callie-girl

Ann,

Don't you just want to smack guys like that one?! They just do not get that their inner ugliness, conceit (over genetic happenstance.....like that's a personal accomplishment) makes them irresistable. Never have gotten that one, myself.

What unmitigated balls to insult the man you love and think you'd be impressed by it. Of course, perhaps he's still alone because he's never met a woman who can come close to worshipping him as much as he does himself?

Now, that guy (the self-worshipper) fits my concept of "ugly!"

Callie

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  • 4 votes
#3.5 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:10 PM EST
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PenniD

I have considered this question -- what constitutes ugly and submit the following:

1. An upside nose is ugly, and you get snot in your eyes when you sneeze.

2. More than 14 toes per foot is ugly, and you can't wear shoes, so you feet are dirty and that's ugly.

3. Having a button nose is ugly because a nose with 4 holes in the middle would leak all kinds of stuff, and if you got a nose bleed, it would be really ugly.

Other than that, I can't imagine what would make a person ugly.

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  • 1 vote
#3.6 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:54 AM EST
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bitemore

3. Having a button nose is ugly because a nose with 4 holes in the middle would leak all kinds of stuff, and if you got a nose bleed, it would be really ugly.

Dang it, Penni, you almost cost me another keyboard with that one... You just about made my day. I can see it now: I'll be engrossed in some TV series, someone will be getting sliced and diced by a madman, and I'll think of this and burst out laughing...

Oh, yeah.

:-)

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  • 2 votes
#3.7 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:35 AM EST
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PenniD

Glad it was an "almost," bitemore. They were the only things I could think of that would make someone ugly in my eyes, and it was hilarious thinking them up.

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  • 1 vote
#3.8 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:09 PM EST
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bitemore

#3.8: "...and it was hilarious thinking them up."

Yeah... and just imagine some poor slob, early in the morning, just starting a fresh cup of wake-up juice (coffee), liesurely scrolling through comments, sipping, nodding, smiling, frowning, sipping...

...and then being ambushed by a remark so damned funny that the laughter doesn't die for two effin' days...

:-)

Good job! Do it again! I promise I'll aim at the floor...

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  • 2 votes
#3.9 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:01 AM EST
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PenniD

I find a bottle of windex and paper towels within easy reach solves my most serious Newsvine problems. Also a handy supply of extra keyboards while the one you were using is drying. This information should be part of the "Welcome to Newsvine" package.

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  • 1 vote
#3.10 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:01 AM EST
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believer-369603

You're a loon, PenniD

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  • 3 votes
#3.11 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:12 AM EST
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PenniD

Coming from the king, believer, I take that as a great compliment. I bow to you.

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  • 2 votes
#3.12 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:19 AM EST
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bitemore

#3.10: "This information should be part of the "Welcome to Newsvine" package."

Oooh, wonderful idea. Send it to Tyler or Calvin...

Happy Thanksgiving!

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  • 2 votes
#3.13 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:52 PM EST
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PenniD

bitemore -- They don't listen to me. I don't hear from them at all, but I think that might be a good thing. Not sure, but I think so.

Happy Thanksgiving, to you, too. Hope you get lots of good things to eat. A holiday for eating -- now that's one I can identify with.

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  • 1 vote
#3.14 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:33 PM EST
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bitemore

#3.14: "A holiday for eating -- now that's one I can identify with."

Yesss! A wise person once said that God must love calories because he made so many of them. So, how could I believe in God and shun something he loves so much? I am being godly by offering all those homeless calories a place to stay... therefore, a holiday for eating must be the epitome of religious experience...

[...no offense to anyone's religion intended...]

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  • 2 votes
#3.15 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:11 PM EST
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Stephanie, RN

Wow, I wish I could vote for this article more than once! I agree, there are people who always have a smile on their face and that in itself makes them beautiful :) Someone who is physically beautiful may be ugly on the inside while someone that the majority of people wouldn't see as physically beautiful may be beautiful on the inside. It is all about perspective.

Last week our pastor was saying when you put others down, you are also putting down God b/c he is the one who created them. That has really made me think and has made me more concious of my thoughts about people. I don't get along with my MIL but when one of those "bad" thoughts comes into my mind, I try and remind myself when I am thinking that way, it is putting her and God down. It is definitely an everyday task to remind myself of that.

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  • 11 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:30 PM EST
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callie-girl

Stephanie,

Last week our pastor was saying when you put others down, you are also putting down God b/c he is the one who created them.

Excellent! I once heard a little girl, maybe 11 years old, say "God doesn't see people with His eyes; He sees them with His heart." I think when we see ourselves or others as ugly, like your pastor so beautifully said, we're saying God doesn't do good work. Personally, I think the Big Guy might take a little offense at that!

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  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:22 PM EST
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G. H.

I agree Stephanie, besides, if it wasn't for your MIL, you wouldn't have your husband.

I dislike comparing, or being compared. We are all who we are.

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  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:56 PM EST
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US Citizen-658112

This post is a "marker" so I can be sure to get back after thinking about this important article....

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  • 7 votes
Reply#5 - Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:42 PM EST
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Perrie

Callie,

Once again, you have written such a wonderful piece. I have been trying to get over this thing about how we view ourselves. I don't often talk about my disease, but it has left medium to large scars all over my body from biopsies. I just counted and I have 17. For a long time, I felt like Frankenstein's monster,and I was ashamed of how I looked. I have only recently accepted that this is what it is, and that it's more important about what is inside, then what is seen outside. I think this is something that so many of us get caught up with. Maybe the media doesn't help, but none the less, your article is a good reminder of that simple fact.

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  • 9 votes
Reply#6 - Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:31 PM EST
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callie-girl

Perrie,

Like you, I inherited that Celtic skin....pale. I grew up (well, perhaps it would be more accurate to say I spent my youth in Southern California, since the "growing up" part still is in process) and my Mom used to insist that I spend time outside to "get some color." Sadly, getting some color meant burned to a crisp within about 20 minutes, followed by several days of pain and peeling skin. About 4 years ago, my doctor informed me that I had pre-cancerous carcinogenic melanoma developing on my chest - as a result of "getting some color" as a kid (side note: just more proof that my Mom was trying to kill me and make the death look accidental!). I went through 6 weeks of topical chemo applications that literally ate through the skin to get all of the cancer cells. The scarring is quite impressive!

However, once I decided that the body is just a machine to get the spirit around on this journey of soul-growth, it pretty much is a non-issue anymore.

And, lady, I can assure you from your articles and the kindnesses you've shown me, as well as your Avatar picture, you are one awesomely beautiful lady!

))))))))))))))Callie((((((((((((

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  • 3 votes
#6.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:30 PM EST
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sweetness34

I think, like the example of your mother, its it inner that will make or break someones beauty. Living and working in Vegas I've known some "gorgeous" women but when you get to know them the conseited, nasty, catty, bitter and/or backstabbing inner person makes them ugly. I worked for a woman that would be considered "ugly" with her cleft lip and has been called so by grown adults who weren't given their way. While this did hurt her she never let it get to her and was one of the most caring, giving beautiful women I know. She is one of my favorite people in my life and makes you want to be a better person. But I never got in trouble when I'd tell these jacka$$es off making them feel like the little person they were, another reason to love her.

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  • 10 votes
Reply#7 - Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:33 PM EST
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Darreth01

Sweetness:

I worked for a woman that would be considered "ugly" with her cleft lip and has been called so by grown adults who weren't given their way. While this did hurt her she never let it get to her and was one of the most caring, giving beautiful women I know.

I had a kid I knew growing up that had a "Cleft Palate"

He grew up in a small town about 15 miles away (call him "X")... one of the kids he knew in grade school came to my hometown to go to high school... (call him"Y")

One day I'm sitting in math class and several of the girls are gossipping... one of them says "I saw "Y" this weekend!" Another responds "OH... HE'S SOOOO CUTE!" The first one says "Yeah... but I didn't go TALK to him because that guy that was WITH him was UGLY!!!"

"Y" was my best friend and I knew "X" through him... they were both farm kids and damn GOOD PEOPLE! I had seen them that weekend too... and knew who "Y" had been with!

I spoke up and said "HEY... that was _____!" He was BORN that way! He's a VERY GOOD kid!"

The first girl says "WELL... what's WRONG with his FACE?"

I replied "HE WAS BORN WITH A CLEFT PALATE!"

She says "... oh... what's that?"

I said "Basically he was born with NO ROOF on his mouth!"

I think they got the feeling that I wasn't really impressed and DROPPED IT then!

Incidentally: "Y" married a girl that was BORN with a cleft palate... (She's had a LOT of it repaired with plastic surgery) But I think being such good friends with "X" gave him a taste of what it was like for her!

As you can see my attitudes toward people have been developing for a LONG time!!! Luckily they NEVER disappoint me!!! *GRIN*

I've been OVERWEIGHT my entire life... I learned a LONG TIME AGO to ignore people that want to start the old "You're UGLY" garbage!!!

True UGLINESS is an INNER THING!!!

The sad thing is that most of those that are "Beautiful" never had to go through this kind of STUPIDITY so it goes right over their HEADS!

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  • 5 votes
#7.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:17 AM EST
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Lilith41

Darreth, there are a lot of that are racist and prejudiced people out there that give us minorities a hard time about how some of us look, including myself. I have kicked, called names, spit on and just about everything and that was what these people called "ugly" because i am a diiferent ethnic and racial mix than these people were....

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  • 6 votes
#7.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:33 AM EST
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callie-girl

Okay, you two....I want names and locations, please. I might be small in stature, but anyone who treated you two beautiful people that way needs a good smack-down!

Darreth, you are not overweight.....you are fluffy. And Lilith, you were born with the gorgeous, natural color that my Mom kept sending me outside to get parbroiled in order to try to achieve.

We shall pity the ignorant louts who were too blind to realize they were consumed with envy for the beauty of both of you.....they are the ugly ones.

And you must bow to my wisdom in this matter.....check out my "Homage to Older Women" article and you will see that I am ancient and wise.

)))))))))))))to both of you from Callie((((((((((((((((

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  • 4 votes
#7.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:39 PM EST
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Nan-813417

Name names, Lilith, I will personally eatah each and every one-ah!

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  • 3 votes
#7.4 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:02 AM EST
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believer-369603

"Ancient and wise" is beautiful

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  • 3 votes
#7.5 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:50 AM EST
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Tommy-1025077

I don't know where I first heard the saying "that beauty is only skin deep but ugly is to the bone", but it aptly fits my view of this subject. I like the article especially the description of the large headed lady whose smile shows her beauty. I love to sing, not necessarily good at it but not bad. I once went to church, I prefer to sing A Capella, well I had never been to this church before and they announced a song to be sung. The song began and from behind me came a voice so beautiful that I was amazed at the sound. She was off key but she sang the song with such joy and passion that it overcame what your ear heard. I liken that to the lady who was deformed by nature whose smile showed the passion and love in her heart. I began to think about what God sees or hears when he looks or listens to us. I believe and this is my belief only. God doesn't hear or see what we see or say, but he sees and hears the love in our heart. Another saying that comes to mind is that, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Thanks for this article Callie it is something we should all think about and like Stephanie and her pastor said putting someone down because of the way they look (or sound) is not only putting them down but God who created them. Now this works only for those of you who believe so if you don't believe then forget I said anything okay.

A Small Town, Country Boy

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Reply#8 - Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:45 PM EST
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beaumrtn-619640

Here are a few quotes I would like to share.

True beauty comes from with in the heart.

A person is only beautiful, when their own beauty, is reflecting on to others. Tara Grady

The recipe for beauty is to have less illusion and more Soul, to retreat from the belief of pain or pleasure in the body into the unchanging calm and glorious freedom of spiritual harmony.
Mary Baker Eddy

Beauty is not in the face;
beauty is a light in the heart. Khalil Gibran, (1883 - 1931)

People are like stained glass windows: they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light within. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross

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Reply#9 - Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:29 PM EST
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bitemore

My mother used to say, "Beauty is as beauty does." It must have sunk in on me, because I judge others by what they do, how they treat others, and not by how they look. Looks change over time. Physical beauty is fleeting, but inner beauty is eternal.

Or, "Ugly is as ugly does."

There are an awful lot of beautiful people on the vine, and a handful of truly ugly ones...

Excellent article, Callie-girl. You do have talent. You are also beautiful.

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Reply#10 - Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:40 PM EST
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HCG76

callie girl; to answer your question; nothing! everything has beauty, we only need to let ourselves see it.

sure we all look for that which we think to be beautiful or nice, and many times we miss knowing someone because we are afraid or worried about people getting to know us. Right now I am typing away in my room when there must be over 20 beautiful people outside my open door, listening to music and having fun, my house mate's family, came over for a pre-thanksgiving dinner, simply because i do not know most of then.

Your article is beautiful in itself, your attitude is as well.

clipped to all appropriate groups!

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Reply#11 - Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:04 PM EST
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Lilith41

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the beauty that lasts comes from within as your article states, Callie.

All my life, I felt ugly because of a ton of prejudice I encountered growing up, and even today, it's hard to see past being a sort of bug eyed creature whose buxom is too large for her size at 5'3" and 120 lbs. The only difference is now I don't really focus on that, but on what makes me happy and that's making other happy besides chocolate, anime, and animals and not necessarily in that order!.....

From a goofy big kid at heart!

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Reply#12 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:29 AM EST
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callie-girl

Lilith,

Said it before, girl, and I shall say it again: you are freakin' gorgeous! And I'm a black-belt heterosexual female, so my assessment is purely based on aesthetics. Also, based on everything I've had a chance to read that you've contributed on the vine, your beauty is bone-deep. I think the people who were cruel to you were just so consumed with jealousy it turned them butt-ugly.

Oh, and you mentioned you're 5'3"....since I'm a mere 5'1", that makes you a tall, willowy lady and I am quite consumed with jealousy ;-D

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#12.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:16 PM EST
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Lilith41

Callie, you are sweet! Naw, I only encountered so much prejudice during my life as to why I felt that way about physical appearance and prejudice does play a part; and it is not hyperbole on my part. I was a kid back in the 1970s and it was not that far off from the civil rights movement which was still so fresh in people's minds back then. I lived in Michigan and Connecticut as a very small kid and the I was the only Latina Mestiza mix and the other kids were so cruel ( they did horrible things that I won't go into here) and they never played with me; the only ones who did were the sole black and Asian girls that lived in my neighborhood...

5'1" huh? Well, my mom is 5'1" too and I all can say the best dynamite comes in the smallest packages! I mean that in a good way too! =)

You are dynamite!

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#12.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:28 PM EST
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Nan-813417

Poor Lilith, they picked on me for my tiny breasts. They're never happy! The terds!!

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#12.3 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:04 AM EST
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Michael Ambler

I really liked your article, and I think you had some great points. Nicely done!

I did have one issue, though, and that's with this:

She is blessed with dwarfism. Her head is massively outsized for her small body; her spine is cruely crooked; her legs are bowed.

Dwarfism is a serious medical condition what can have major complications including organ failure. People suffering from dwarfism have extremely shortened life expectancies and often die before the age of 50. I realize that it's PC to say that a physical disability is a 'blessing,' but I think that actually minimizes the very real difficulties and suffering faced by people afflicted by dwarfism.

I have on a few occasions had the opportunity to speak with people with this condition, and I assure you they do not feel blessed. Telling them that they should is just un-empathetic. I know your heart is in the right place, but I think that in your attempts to be kind you may have done the opposite.

Really, though, I did love the rest.

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Reply#13 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:44 AM EST
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callie-girl

Michael,

I completely get what you were saying. However, in my experience, as a result of several genetic deficiencies I inherited, I found that physical challenges can be viewed either as a curse or a blessing. I choose the latter to define individuals who do not permit physical challenges to define and limit them. A young woman I know, a minister's daughter, once shared with me that she had asked her father why, if God is so loving, He seems to give some people so much more suffering that He does others. She said her father replied that those God loves the most are given the greatest challenges as an example to others of the beauty of the soul, the strength of the human spirit and it allows them greater empathy for their fellow humans - and so, they actually are more blessed than those who do not receive these challenges.

In my experience and observation, the truth of that is proven time and again. But that's just my observation and belief.

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#13.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:54 PM EST
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Atsidi

I have become a firm believer that after a certain age, a persons inner nature begins to shine through and the people with an ugly spirit can no longer hide it. By the time a person is in their 50's and 60's, ugly people are not hard to spot at all, and beautiful people are still that.

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Reply#14 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:25 AM EST
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Lilith41

I work with a lot of elderly, and you know something? You are absolutely right. This does occur.

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#14.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:34 PM EST
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GoldenGateMami_Susi

Beauty may get you in the door.....but it's everything else that gets you past the door frame and keeps you in the building.

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Reply#15 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:53 PM EST
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Lilith41

I don't know about the door, but it is the beauty of the person that matters even more than brains and the carnal shell of the person.

The beauty inside....

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#15.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:33 PM EST
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Nan-813417

Good looks are an accident of birth, and nothing to be particularly proud about. Wise people already know this. The majority are merely plain, a minority considered physically ugly by this culture, since the sense of what constitutes good looking is quite regional. Good looking for LA must be fabulous, flawless, good looking for the midwest probably just ordinary plain. Some places in the US, brown skin more popular. It's who you are inside that decides whether you rise to the descriptive term, beautiful. Nice post, btw.

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Reply#16 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:06 PM EST
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Lilith41

So true! Thanks for saying the truth! :)

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#16.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:31 PM EST
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Truth be told-1349420

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

My mother used to say, "Beauty is as beauty does."

True beauty comes from with in the heart.

Beauty may get you in the door

Is "ugly" too ugly to be defined? The question asks "What constitutes Ugly" and yet most posts are only beautifying "Beauty." That's not fair; That's ugly.

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#16.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:07 PM EST
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Lilith41

Truth, the thing is ugly and beauty are subjective terms and you didn't state what is beauty nor ugly to you other than state the lack of available definitions.

Ugly or beauty for me is how a person behaves; just because they might have a big nose or be short or have club feet or anything else that might not be a "celebrity" standard doesn't make them ugly to me. It's how they are and their behavior shows that.

Our actions show what's in our hearts....

I believe this and I have truly found and loved people that were not "celebrity" beauty but because they were good to me, I found them to be beautiful outside too. I really did and still do...

You can believe me or not.....

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#16.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:03 PM EST
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Nan-813417

You really nail it here, Lilith. People who treat me beautifully really are beautiful to me. My friend See is like that. He and I are not considered attractive people, but he is beautiful inside and out to me now. I adore him, he is my best friend. I think we like each other too much to be boyfriend and girlfriend. Just didn't work.

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#16.4 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:11 AM EST
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US Citizen-658112

What is beautiful is felt at a level below consciousness. This is demonstrated by the smile of an very young infant when seeing its parents.

Society, as we grow, teaches us that certain looks and presentations and actions are beautiful. This, in most cases, is arbitrary and is not based on real life or on anything except visual and superficial actions seem from afar, and in controlled circumstances.

As an adult, I have had to "unlearn" much of what had caused me to see others based on what others wanted to see me see them as, instead of what they really are and were.

Now, although I must continue to deal with the "first impressions" factor, I have learned to see not only what they look like, what they attempt to present themselves as, but also how they treat other people, in particular when those "other people" have little means of controlling what is done to them.....

Those who feel they have been treated poorly may well benefit from thinking about why they might have been treated that way by others. It may well have not been because you were "ugly", but rather because you were so beautiful a person that they attempted to compete with you by causing you to doubt your own worth as a person, and to actually participate in degrading yourself in your own mind because of their vicious attacks upon your person. Please give yourself permission to see that part of your life as having passed, and continue on as the beautiful person that you are, without doubt about living in that way.

I do not now know how to more honestly respond to the issue raised by this author.

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Reply#17 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:47 PM EST
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Lilith41

True, as an adult I also had to unlearn so much pumped in by society and culture, etc.

As for first Impressions, I gotten past that actually did an article on it not too long ago. =)

I really believe that our actions show how beautiful or ugly we really are....

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#17.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:00 PM EST
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Truth be told-1349420

Lilith41:

Truth, the thing is ugly and beauty are subjective terms and you didn't state what is beauty nor ugly to you other than state the lack of available definitions.

You probably missed my post @1.2 where I define what "Ugly" means to me. By describing "ugly", I also describe "beauty" by the opposite.

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#17.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:42 PM EST
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Lilith41

I saw it, Truth, it 's a good definition, but is that what ugly is for you or what you think ugly means in general? That's what I missed.

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#17.3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:09 PM EST
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Nan-813417

Someone I love very much explained it to me, or I would never have gotten it. To some people, good looking is like a drug, it draws them in, they can't help themselves. Once put in those terms, I finally understood.

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Reply#18 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:05 PM EST
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Nan-813417

In other words, it's hard-wired into us to love what we perceive as beauty.

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#18.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:06 PM EST
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Nan-813417

Sorry. Guess I still haven't answered the question, however, as to what exactly constitutes ugly. Hopefully they haven't posted my pic next to that entry in the dictionary, yet. I live in fear.

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#18.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:07 PM EST
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Truth be told-1349420

You must be in a humorous mood to say such a thing. I don't believe you. The most beautiful person lives inside of you, though.

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#18.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:28 PM EST
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sunnshine

Ugly is an attitude. Beauty is a different attitude. I go about life with a beautiful attitude and I can tell you it gets me a lot further than an ugly attitude would. I try to teach my children to be beautiful too, and it's working!

Physically, I've always thought of myself as not particularly pretty, but my kids think I am beautiful and that's good enough for me. I don't particularly care what the rest of the world thinks of my looks. As long as I keep up a beautiful-type attitude, I'll do just fine.

Great article. I've been away for a good long while but this one made me stop and take a look again.

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Reply#19 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:37 PM EST
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Lilith41

So true! Thanks!

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#19.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM EST
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Truth be told-1349420

What constitutes ugly?

Politicians.

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Reply#20 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:41 PM EST
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Lilith41

Good point and that's more true than not.... Brrrrrr..
I agree. lol

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#20.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM EST
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believer-369603

True ugliness, like true beauty, is reflected in behavior and attitude.

Nobody can hide it for long.

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Reply#21 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:15 PM EST
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Truth be told-1349420

well if one keeps his/her mouth close, no one will ever notice his/her blak/yellow rotten teeth unless he/she dares laugh at a joke.

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#21.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:58 PM EST
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MoonCrow

very true believer ... old saying, "... beauty is as beauty does."

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#21.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:02 PM EST
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MoonCrow

Ugly has more to do with the inside than the outside.

If you are unkind, you are ugly.

If you verbally demean and slander, you are ugly.

If you are mean, you are ugly.

Kindness is beautiful. Compassion is beautiful. Tolerance is beautiful.

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Reply#22 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:09 PM EST
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callie-girl

MoonCrow,

How perfectly stated!

The general consensus of opinions here indicates far less emphasis is placed on genetics than on what each individual cultivates in him or herself is what determines ones' beauty or ugliness.

Which just goes to prove what I have long believed....the majority of people have far more depth of character and a healthier relationship with themselves and others than presented in the slick magazines and mainstream media.

I am honored to be in the company of vine folks - you truly all are (well, mostly all are; trolls excepted) the finest of the finest.

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#22.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:02 AM EST
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Atsidi

An old poem from a high school English teacher. "My Face, I don't mind it, for I am behind it, it's the people out front who get to stare."

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Reply#23 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:37 PM EST
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callie-girl

atsidiwashichu,

My Face, I don't mind it, for I am behind it, it's the people out front who get to stare."

That is simply wonderful.....thanks so much for sharing it. And it is so very true ;-)

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#23.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:55 PM EST
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Hekofawoman

I love that as well.....great;)

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#23.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:45 PM EST
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CYP

In the words of Forrest Gump "Stupid is as stupid does"....it would also apply as such: "ugly is as ugly does". I am of the opinion that ugly is a state of personality, not physical. I mean really- ET was about the most hideous creature you ever did see upon first glance, yet (most of us) loved that little alien to death by the end of the movie......who cried when he was (temporarily) dead? Yet the photo of Paris Hilton (by the sounds of it) had Callie retching in her kitchen sink and may have mentally scarred her for life........Ugly is as ugly does.

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    Reply#24 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:21 AM EST
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    callie-girl

    Yet the photo of Paris Hilton (by the sounds of it) had Callie retching in her kitchen sink and may have mentally scarred her for life......

    Actually, I almost yakked on my computer keyboard, so great was the shock! Thank you, though, for explaining why, since viewing the photo with no prior warning, I have been waking in the night screaming "Dear God, NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"

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